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they will accept higher tax revenue. the democrats still want higher tax rates. i'm saying, everybody, that the republicans are the ones doing the shifting here. the democrats are holding right where they always have been. sandra: republicans are definitely shifting, now talking about revenue, not about raising tax rates, very different than that. but also put their foot down when it comes to entitlements, medicare and social security. they are also going to address spending in ways that democrats are not going to be happy about. so everybody is going to have to sort of cave here, it would seem. stuart: there has to be compromise on the other side as well as republicans on tax. maybe the democrats have to compromise on entitlement reform at some point. they haven't yet. sandra: grover norquist has already come out and said nobody is caving here, if they do, it is just a trap the republicans are falling into. and this is going to be horrible for republicans, especially in the next election. liz: he also pointed out that george h.w. bush won gulf war one and then r
they will accept higher tax revenue. the democrats still want higher tax rates. i'm saying, everybody, that the republicans are the ones doing the shifting here. the democrats are holding right where they always have been. sandra: republicans are definitely shifting, now talking about revenue, not about raising tax rates, very different than that. but also put their foot down when it comes to entitlements, medicare and social security. they are also going to address spending in ways that...
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one thing is all the taxes eventually get paid. you don't get away with not paying taxes just because you put money into an ira. you have to pay when you pull it out of retirement. the second thing is there is no doubt today people can lower their tax bill, it will be definitely lower the savings rate if we were to do that. and finally, $100 billion is what we could raise. that is a drop in the bucket. a trillion plus dollars deficit. we need way more than these kind of things to fix this. we need to cut spending. that is what we need to do. this is the only way we will balance the budget. melissa: you make a point not everyone has made, just the impact of the stock market of what is going on. raising taxes on investment doesn't even hurt as much as just how much government spending is going on. >> i will try. this is the heart of economics. call it the cloud or the smart phone or the tablet, those technologies to throw out productivity efficiency. and the games society makes from these technologies, we get reinvested, sort of the
one thing is all the taxes eventually get paid. you don't get away with not paying taxes just because you put money into an ira. you have to pay when you pull it out of retirement. the second thing is there is no doubt today people can lower their tax bill, it will be definitely lower the savings rate if we were to do that. and finally, $100 billion is what we could raise. that is a drop in the bucket. a trillion plus dollars deficit. we need way more than these kind of things to fix this. we...
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simplifying the tax code, keeping those marginal tax rates low. let's not create a worse in the distortions that already exist in the tax code. dagen: great to see you. take care. we will see you soon. connell: there it is. closing loopholes with norquist. we consider that a tax hike. dagen: lindsey graham. you made the point. loud and clear. a lot of people backing off. connell: backing off the pledge. people will be losing their benefits at the end of the year if congress does not act now. dagen: the money game for the holidays. americans are sitting at their computer screens, not working, looking for the perfect gift. take a look at oil. see where it is trading today. oil is at $87 a barrel. connell: eight quarter past the hour. we will have stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole: we are at our session lows of the day. we certainly had a nice run up last week. over a 100-point game. we are losing about 100 points. i just checked on the dow jones industrials. twenty-eight of the names out of 30 were in the red. intel and caterpillar were t
simplifying the tax code, keeping those marginal tax rates low. let's not create a worse in the distortions that already exist in the tax code. dagen: great to see you. take care. we will see you soon. connell: there it is. closing loopholes with norquist. we consider that a tax hike. dagen: lindsey graham. you made the point. loud and clear. a lot of people backing off. connell: backing off the pledge. people will be losing their benefits at the end of the year if congress does not act now....
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but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both know for example wall street. we keep hearing these business leaders and so many others are nervous and we could see an immediate reaction there if some type of deal is not reached before january 1st. >> sure. the millionaires and billionaires, they've got a sweet deal now. they will make a lot of noise to say, raise my tax rates and i'll stop investing. of course, these are the same people who spent $400 million, $500 million to get a president hired that would cut their taxes. >> it would certainly affect it if the white house is saying you'll go off this cliff. you're looking at them
but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both...
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equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio. these are states where republicans said they were going to win and they lost and the president has a strong argument to make right now which is, just fresh off his victory, this is what he didn't have in his first term. the fiscal cliff allows him to make an argument -- >> ladies, 47% of the country voted for country. only 1% gets the benefit of all of these tax cuts. >> i know. >> that's 46% that can steal from the other side. >> thank you. happy holidays. you're coming around this time of year. it's a nice time of year. >>> when we return, the republican assumption th
equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio....
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rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the country's stock market into a freefall. our reporter is in cairo with the very latest. ayman, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. egypt's stock market opened for a second straight day, and it plunged already by 4%. now, that's already a day after it lost 10%, and officials there had to stop trading just to prevent it from declining any further. that's the economic turmoil this country finds itself in. there are tons of other political and social unrest unfolding across the egyptian capital, cairo. a short while from now, mourners are going to be prayi
rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the...
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take the alternative minimum tax. if the inflation index isn't advanced for that and i believe republicans and democrats want to do it, 23 million middle class americans will have a 2,000 to 3,000 dollars tax increase on that alone. >> let me interrupt you for a second. i was making this point a little earlier when you start talking about these financial things, you know, the i don't want so say minutia but the more specifics of the negotiations and what the numbers mean and the two different sides will tell you that the numbers are different, it is kind of hard for the average person on who doesn't have an mba to figure out what's going on here. >>> john mccain is suggesting the republican party should focus on bigger issues and leave abortion alone. during an interview yesterday the senator said while he is proud of his pro-life position, there are bigger things to worry about like the economy and national security. police are admitting they missed a potentially key piece of evidence in the casey anthony murder inve
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reform and spending cuts over the raising of taxes. here is the senate republican leader on what the g.o.p. is offering. >> without compromising our principles we put skin in the game and recognition to the fact while democrats don't run this town, neither do we. we have been responsible even as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that you will not materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> house republicans are planning to bring in on wednesday a number of c.e.o.'s of caterpillar, goldman sachs and all state and other key players on fiscal includes including erskine bowles co-author of the simpson-bowles and the republicans want the business community to hear their ideas and make the case a big deal should include spending cuts and reforms. >>shepard: thank you, mike, from capitol hill. grover norquist will join neil cavuto next hour and talk about breaking the anti-tax pledge by some republicans. >> the generation leader who brokered the
reform and spending cuts over the raising of taxes. here is the senate republican leader on what the g.o.p. is offering. >> without compromising our principles we put skin in the game and recognition to the fact while democrats don't run this town, neither do we. we have been responsible even as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that you will not materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again....
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minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services committee said automatic cuts to government spending could impact public safety. >> i think you should be worried if you have a defense job and we all ought to be worried whether we are dependent upon other aspects of the federal budget. whether we're worried about the regulation of our food safety, whether we're worried about our borders being secure, whether we're worried about fbi being supported, it's all affected by sequestration. >> joining me now, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. you heard the numbers we just ran down. what is the short-term t
minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services committee said automatic cuts to government...
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expiration of the tax cut around for years can be called a tax increase. the nonpartisan budget office would bring in $1 trillion in ten years. on tap, 1.2 trillion in spending cuts for ten years. $100 billion in first year. half to defense programs. half to nondefense. cbo says going off the cliff would lead to a recession next year. we have fox team coverage tonight. ed henry is trying to read tea leaves on a day of mixed signals from all sides but we begin with mike emanuel on the possibility that g.o.p. lawmakers may put their oath of office above a promise to antitax increase organizer. good evening. >> good evening. the republican sources say they are offering a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and some revenue without boosting tax rates. >> we have been responsible as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that won't materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> the top republican on the senate budget chel explained the g.o.p. plan to bring in mo
expiration of the tax cut around for years can be called a tax increase. the nonpartisan budget office would bring in $1 trillion in ten years. on tap, 1.2 trillion in spending cuts for ten years. $100 billion in first year. half to defense programs. half to nondefense. cbo says going off the cliff would lead to a recession next year. we have fox team coverage tonight. ed henry is trying to read tea leaves on a day of mixed signals from all sides but we begin with mike emanuel on the...
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when you throw in the higher state taxes in cities and states promising millionaire tax hikes, not just affecting if millionaires. that brings us to 60%. that is 15 points higher. this isn't specious math. this is logical math. courtesy of the republican strategy hellbent on ignoring that for fear of getting it on rates. the republicans risk being snookered by the democrats who know the opponent's number. blinded in the grand old quest to keep rates moving up, they don't see the other side just taken them to cleaners. we are going to debate this tonight. you can watch other choices. but you can still watch him and watch me. i am a nice appetizer then. that's how i look at it. appetizer. if you did online shopping i'd be a good buy. you know a lot about the cyber bye. >> demand it! >> no. >> you were shopping. >> i was not. not doing anything. >> you were. >> was not. >> that is a laptop.
when you throw in the higher state taxes in cities and states promising millionaire tax hikes, not just affecting if millionaires. that brings us to 60%. that is 15 points higher. this isn't specious math. this is logical math. courtesy of the republican strategy hellbent on ignoring that for fear of getting it on rates. the republicans risk being snookered by the democrats who know the opponent's number. blinded in the grand old quest to keep rates moving up, they don't see the other side just...
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the white house is saying, if these tax cuts go away for the middle class and taxes rise and the amt patch goes away and taxes rise on the middle class, it would dramatically slow growth in gdp next year and would mean $200 billion less in consumers' pockets. what is this right out of the white house report? this reduction of $200 billion is approximately four times the total amount of the 226 million shoppers they spent on black friday weekend last year. they're trying to show you just how important all that money is in the economy if you have those taxes rise on the middle class. it's really, john, the latest from the white house. it comes on the same day warren buffett writing in the "new york times" in an op-ed saying rich is $500,000 a year, and let's tax them. let's have a 30% minimum tax for the income above $1 million of rich people. look what he said here. the "forbes" 400, wealthiest individuals in america hit a new group record. $1.7 trillion, more than five times the $300 billion total in 1992. he says you know, my gang has done pretty well. so leave the middle class alon
the white house is saying, if these tax cuts go away for the middle class and taxes rise and the amt patch goes away and taxes rise on the middle class, it would dramatically slow growth in gdp next year and would mean $200 billion less in consumers' pockets. what is this right out of the white house report? this reduction of $200 billion is approximately four times the total amount of the 226 million shoppers they spent on black friday weekend last year. they're trying to show you just how...
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instead of not raising taxes let's just talk about how much we're going to raise taxes, so it appears for the most part now conservatives are looking at changing some of the things they talked about and pledged when they were running for office and look this is a bigger issue to me. it is not necessarily about grover norquist or a pledge and what you run on as you head to congress. some of these speeches and we have all heard them and been to the rallies. they make promises that are virtually impossible to keep and that's the problem with the governance, the mind of not moving the ball forward in the current congress. you can't make promises you can't keep. these types of i will never do this and always do that, that's a bad way to start things off and you're seeing that now because they're having to change the rhetoric. >> i want to play sound from grover norquist. let's play it and i want to talk to you about it on the other side. take a listen. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you have had people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would highlight
instead of not raising taxes let's just talk about how much we're going to raise taxes, so it appears for the most part now conservatives are looking at changing some of the things they talked about and pledged when they were running for office and look this is a bigger issue to me. it is not necessarily about grover norquist or a pledge and what you run on as you head to congress. some of these speeches and we have all heard them and been to the rallies. they make promises that are virtually...
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the use of tax havens to avoid paying taxes in this country is an outrage. we can end it. there's tens of billions of dollars a year involved in closing those kinds of offshore loopholes. >> i'm going to leave it there. senator levin, thank you for being here. hope you had a good holiday. >>> i want to turn to the republican side. peter king of new york. congressman, hope you had a good holiday. good to see you this morning. >> i had a great holiday, especially because notre dame beat southern cal. >> my poor step dad. he is not so happy this morning. >> i don't care about him. >> let me continue on the issue of taxes because this is important. and as i say, it's going to be the defining issue. you hear republican saxby chambliss say it's not going to govern what i do. norquist saying he promised the people of georgia that he would reform the government rather than raise taxes. where do you stand on the pledge? can this be overcome? with revenues be raised? >> first of all, i agree with chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. for in
the use of tax havens to avoid paying taxes in this country is an outrage. we can end it. there's tens of billions of dollars a year involved in closing those kinds of offshore loopholes. >> i'm going to leave it there. senator levin, thank you for being here. hope you had a good holiday. >>> i want to turn to the republican side. peter king of new york. congressman, hope you had a good holiday. good to see you this morning. >> i had a great holiday, especially because...
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should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has anything to do with it. >> let's talk raw numbers here. at the end of the day you have to find 218 house members. and in the past john boehner has said and, oh, by the way, his election is after the fiscal cliff. that happens a couple days after the fiscal cliff. so all of this maneuvering is complicated. to get to 218 he has said he wants a majority of the majority, which is approximately 120 republicans, so then you have to find some nearly 100 democrats to do this as well, and if that has social security and medicare in it,
should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has...
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but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess what? that political courage doesn't include ding, ding, ding, higher tack rates for the top 2%. but don't pay any attention to that. republicans want us to know that what's really important is that they are rejecting the norquist pledge. >> the lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you, when i go to the constituents that re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really
but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and...
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not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was just elected. i made aware the only thing i'm honoring is the oath i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> both of these senators are saying they aren't going to be browned by grover norquist from americans for tax reform. this is an issue bigger than norquist. the republican party has positioned itself as the smaller government, anti-tax party. but they've lost an election and it appears that republicans in the senate will see about the house, already to give some ground. >> john, thank you. that's good news. looks like at least
not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank you very much. >>> up next, we're analyzing the analysts. on tap today, facebook, yahoo! and rimm. >>> plus we'll talk live with the ceo of land's end to get his take on the official kickoff of the holiday shopping season. you're watching "power lunch" on cnbc. >>> the national debt grew $112 million per month, on average, between june 2011 to june 2012. ♪ [ female announcer ] today, it's not just about who lives in the white house, it's about who lives in the yellow house, the green, and the apartment house, too. today we not only honor the oval office, but we honor the cubicle, and the home office as
the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank...
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revenues and raising tax rates. i get it. but do your constituents get it? >> isn't this where i'm supposed to confess my sins to my preacher. >> when you have four people dead, how do you call that hype? >> how many security contractors died in iraq. do you know? >> i don't. >> as u.n. ambassador, she has an obligation not just to be a puppet. >> when i see this focus on what was essentially a small fire fight, it's impossible to figure out what happens on them sometimes. >> she could conceivably get your vote. >> the emphasis has been extremely political probably because fox was operating as a wing of the political party. >> tom ricks, thank you for joining us. >> as far as young women are concerned, i can state my position on abortion. other than that leave the issue alone. >> 20 hail marys, 20 our fathers. ja let's get to our fanl. ana marie cox is a correspondent for "the guardian," and msnbc political analyst karen finney. karen, we just heard senator john mccain a moment ago in "top lines" saying, okay, from
revenues and raising tax rates. i get it. but do your constituents get it? >> isn't this where i'm supposed to confess my sins to my preacher. >> when you have four people dead, how do you call that hype? >> how many security contractors died in iraq. do you know? >> i don't. >> as u.n. ambassador, she has an obligation not just to be a puppet. >> when i see this focus on what was essentially a small fire fight, it's impossible to figure out what happens on...
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its taxes for everybody. you cannot bring down the debt with a $5 trillion in your accumulated over the last four years to pay it down. you need structure readjustment with the entitlements, also, with social security, medicare, medicaid, also, and, also, the tax reform. the republicans have talked about revenue coming in from growth jobs and getting the economy going. when you get the economy going, you get more money coming into the irs and treasury/ when more americans are at work, they are paying. i don't believe it -- it is , woodymr. norquist said, it is a pledge to the people. some of those senators wanting to raise -- wanting not to raise taxes, that pledge, they knew what would happen to them, they would get run out of state. first i want to see president obama's cards on the table. host: jerry is up next in st. charles, missouri. good morning. caller: one of the things i would like to talk about is the waste in government. i see it continuously in ads on. on a completely off as far as a meter for yo
its taxes for everybody. you cannot bring down the debt with a $5 trillion in your accumulated over the last four years to pay it down. you need structure readjustment with the entitlements, also, with social security, medicare, medicaid, also, and, also, the tax reform. the republicans have talked about revenue coming in from growth jobs and getting the economy going. when you get the economy going, you get more money coming into the irs and treasury/ when more americans are at work, they are...
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but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country, only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> bill: oh, peter you listen to what these people are saying that's why the media has it all wrong. they are falling for this republican line of crap. republicans lost this election. this was mitt romney's deal. and president obama said we have to have an balanced deal we're going to cut spending to the bone, but you have also got to get rid of those bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans, and put it back where it was under president clinton, the greatest economic growth in our lifetime. americans went with president obama's idea. it's now time for republicans to accept this is what the americans want. but instead this is more republican propaganda,
but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country, only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> bill: oh, peter you listen to what these people are saying that's why the media has it all wrong. they are falling for this...
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. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates. second we have to close significant loopholes. jon: bret baier is the anchor of special report. maybe we can get an explanation from you. the republicans are talking about raising revenue but not raising tax rates. how do they do that? >> reporter: basically they close tax loopholes, they put a cap on deductions. in other words for high income earners let's say the cap was $50,000 you would take in deductions, they don't specify what specific deductions it would be but that is the cap of tax deductions you could take and there by after that point you don't get any more deductions, so the amount of taxes you pay goes up. now this is not new, jon, this is what really mitt romney and paul ryan were running on, as they talked about it they got hammered again and again for not being specific on what tax deductions and loopholes were going to close. but this was the line for the republican standard bearer, the candidate. so when you hear these senators and congressmen talking about that and
. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates. second we have to close significant loopholes. jon: bret baier is the anchor of special report. maybe we can get an explanation from you. the republicans are talking about raising revenue but not raising tax rates. how do they do that? >> reporter: basically they close tax loopholes, they put a cap on deductions. in other words for high income earners let's say the cap was $50,000 you would take in deductions,...
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he says i would raise taxes if. then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. i suggested, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> you're saying this is never going to happen. because if a republican says, you know what, i am actually not going to go with the pledge that i have signed and i'm going to, you know, do this compromise and vote for that, would you then target that lawmaker? would you say, you know, you're lying. you changed your mind from the pledge. now i'm going to put the substantial weight and efforts of your organization to try to unseat that republican candidate? >> george hervert walker bush broke his commitment to the american people. i don't think the americans for tax reform even put out a press release. somehow the american people figured out he broke his commitment. he couldn't get 38% of the vote when he ran in a general. he didn't lose in a primary. he lost in a general election. rai
he says i would raise taxes if. then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. i suggested, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> you're saying this is never going to happen. because if a republican says, you know what, i am actually not going to go with the pledge that i have signed and i'm going to, you know, do this compromise and vote for that, would you then target that...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> in syria ten children in a suburb outside dam afternooningus have become the latest victims in the ongoing violence. now, fighting has ripped this country apart. activists say more than 40,000 people now have been killed since the first pretest 20 months ago against the regime of president bashir al assad. nick payton walsh shows us what happens when bombs fall in, of all places, a playground. >> these disturbing images show what happens after a children's playground is hit, according to activists by a cluster bomb. refugees with nowhere else to hide apparently hit by a single deadly device dropped by a jet. some cluster bombs released smaller explosives to cause maximum devastat
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> in syria ten children in a suburb outside dam afternooningus have become the...
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. >> his power comes from this tax pledge. the last thing that he can afford to see more republicans peel off. if they do, then he can't get the next person to sign that pledge. >> tomorrow on "starting point" we're going to be talking to race car driver danica patrick and star of "pretty little liars." cnn newsroom with carols can to casse tell low begins now. >>> horror in bangladesh. two giant clothing factories there go up in flames. they might have made the clothes that are in your closet right now. thousands of workers protest the deaths of their colleagues. were safety warnings ignored? >>> republican rebellion? lindsey graham the latest lawmaker to buck a powerful gop lobbyist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll have the view from the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> one of the most recognizable voices in hollywood lends his voice to a pro-same-sex marriage ad. >> freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward a more perfect union. now across our country, we are standing together for the rig
. >> his power comes from this tax pledge. the last thing that he can afford to see more republicans peel off. if they do, then he can't get the next person to sign that pledge. >> tomorrow on "starting point" we're going to be talking to race car driver danica patrick and star of "pretty little liars." cnn newsroom with carols can to casse tell low begins now. >>> horror in bangladesh. two giant clothing factories there go up in flames. they might have...
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or effective tax rates. there is ways of doing that. secondly, though, we've got to close significant loopholes. >> bottom line, getting back to the report, the president is asking congress it act now specs tend the tax cuts for the middle class. they say the holiday season is not a time to threaten middle class pocketbooks. back to you. >> steve: thanks very much. the white house wants all the people who voted for barak obama to flood congressmen with e-mail and also with video messages via youtube saying why we should raise taxes on the rich. >> gretchen: so it's mainly for conservative democrats and to sway some republicans in those districts. we asked what you thought about this. will it change members of congress' mind? here is marge, cut all loopholes, subsidies and reduce spending equally but do not raise taxes. >> steve: here is a tweet from heather. it would say do your job, pass a balanced budget like required by law. no more closed door secret tax meetings. >> brian: more e-mails and tweets coming
or effective tax rates. there is ways of doing that. secondly, though, we've got to close significant loopholes. >> bottom line, getting back to the report, the president is asking congress it act now specs tend the tax cuts for the middle class. they say the holiday season is not a time to threaten middle class pocketbooks. back to you. >> steve: thanks very much. the white house wants all the people who voted for barak obama to flood congressmen with e-mail and also with video...
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exactly. >> it's not raising taxes. it is not raising the rate of taxes. it the is just cutting the -- the deduction for capping emissions on your jet. >> stephanie: i think the good news is the president has cut through that [ bleep ] he said if you come to me and say can we kind of do this and close the loophole and something that's not exactly a tax increase. he said no. we're wise to what you're talking about. >> that's the softening of rhetoric you're seeing on the right is in response to a president that now really has nothing to lose. so why not -- so why not at least try to sound reasonable, back off the radical positions. >> stephanie: yep. rudeness, are you delightful. as a post-holiday leftover or fresh. >> thank you. i'll be the stuffing in your turkey sandwich any time. >> stephanie: okay. all right then. all right. >> i'm glad nobody -- >> stephanie: i just made extra gravy. >> stephanie you won't ease miller! [ buzzer ] >> see what you made -- did to me rudeness? >> wow. >> stephanie: what's that about? >> you said it! >> stephanie: i don't
exactly. >> it's not raising taxes. it is not raising the rate of taxes. it the is just cutting the -- the deduction for capping emissions on your jet. >> stephanie: i think the good news is the president has cut through that [ bleep ] he said if you come to me and say can we kind of do this and close the loophole and something that's not exactly a tax increase. he said no. we're wise to what you're talking about. >> that's the softening of rhetoric you're seeing on the right...
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otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and easings of the economic blockade of gaza. >>> the bodies of a northern california couple have been recovered after they were swept out to sea trying to save their dog. the family was playing fetch with their dog north of eureka on saturday. the dog chased after a stick and got pulled into the ocean by eight to ten foot waves. the boy and his parents followed the dog into the water. >> horrible story. >> feeling lucky? no grand prize winner saturday night. the jackpot for wednesday's powerball drawing is up to $425 million. that number could go even higher depen
otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and...
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and if this fiscal cliff is allowed to happen on january 1, your taxes, my taxes, everybody's taxes go up. and on that point, let's continue. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. i want to begin with the fiscal cliff. because other news here, you have republican senator saxby chambliss, a two-term conservative from the red state south, but just this past weekend, the tea party nation website labeled him, i'm quoting, worthless and a liar. what did he say to deserve these words? he said he's willing to break the no tax pledge that he made when he first ran for office. and guess what? now he has company. fellow republican senators lindsey graham and bob corker say that under the right circumstances, they too are willing to break ranks. what is the republican world coming to? john avalon, straight to you, cnn contributor, writer for daily beast newsweek. i want to get your reaction to the news we heard from jay carney, we now know the president has spoken by phone over the weekend with boehner and mcconnell. might this be progress? >> yes, it might be progress. that's a good thing. you go
and if this fiscal cliff is allowed to happen on january 1, your taxes, my taxes, everybody's taxes go up. and on that point, let's continue. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. i want to begin with the fiscal cliff. because other news here, you have republican senator saxby chambliss, a two-term conservative from the red state south, but just this past weekend, the tea party nation website labeled him, i'm quoting, worthless and a liar. what did he say to deserve these words? he said he's...
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gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking thing that america is the most powerful country on earth before the health care law was passed, had a massive number of many, many millions of uninsured people in the country when every other industrialized country has universal coverage. >> right. we do all agree with that, right? >> one of the more historic things, it's going to move millions of uninsured people into the ranks of the civilized world. >> and as the president promised, also not only is he going to put 30 million people on the rolls for health care, it's also going t
gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking...
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there will be lots of tax provisions, including the payroll tax cut, to consider. >> alan krueger, the chairman of the council of economic advisers at the white house, alan, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very figure me, wolf. >>> secret confidential information revealed in the confetti at this year evenings macy's's thanksgiving day parade. find out what spectators discovered just ahead. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." . meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. until i show them this. the oral-b pro-health clinical brush. its pro-flex sides adjust to teeth and gums for a better clean. the pro-health clinical brush from oral-b. wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duc
there will be lots of tax provisions, including the payroll tax cut, to consider. >> alan krueger, the chairman of the council of economic advisers at the white house, alan, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very figure me, wolf. >>> secret confidential information revealed in the confetti at this year evenings macy's's thanksgiving day parade. find out what spectators discovered just ahead. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." . meet the...